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October News 2007
[ROSE NA Head GM] Leonis - 10/1/2007 8:55 PM PDT

October has arrived, and with it news of what is to come.

So, I'm sitting here, trying to think about where to start. I have in my mind the month of October, the development schedule we're trying to keep for October and the next steps of development beyond that, the Event we're currently planning for Halloween and beyond that.

An update, on where we stand right now with development.
We are entering the month of October with the balancing of Armor and Weapons complete. The adjustments are being made to the database so that they can be fully tested in a more dynamic environment. Once the initial testing has been completed, the changes will be announced in complete detail for everyone to view. (You can see a preview list of some level requirement changes further below)

Our plans for the month of October are to put the update through some vigorous testing to ensure that the update is well balanced and enjoyable. But we don't want to leave the community out of the dark and out of anything to do while you wait for the update to be completed.

Halloween is just up ahead and we are looking forward to it as we do every year. This year the GM Team will be hosting a Halloween Event towards the end of the month, in celebration of the festive holiday. We are looking to have a few different things to do for any player willing to participate or take the challenge. This is a non-pvp event, for everyone to enjoy and we hope you do.

Something that may have gone unnoticed lately, but Calanor has placed a post in the Fan Art section of the forums. [Loading Screen] New Submission Thread We wish to help influence art submissions by providing them an audience. And what better audience then the one you play with! This was a great idea provided by the community and we are happy to host it.

Question: But when will you update?
Our development goal is to have the update fully tested and scheduled to be implemented at the end of October. Of course, if there are any issues during our testing period, there may be a delay to the schedule of when it will be able to be put on the live servers. But we are hopeful for the end of October.

I am glad to see that after much conversation from the September News, that the initial panic of the update has calmed down and is better understood. I know the idea of tampering with your character is a worrisome thing, so I've taken the time to help give the community a "head's up" to some of the exact changes to expect with equipment.

So, with that, here is a head's up for those of you wanting to know some specifics about what we're looking to change.

While looking at equipment at an in-depth look, it was discovered that various prefixed (Blue) weapons and armors were unintentionally given the properties of the "Saint" prefix, in addition to their actual prefix (Dark, Demon, Grand, etc.) which caused a double level requirement reduction for the actual Saint items. Please be aware that all blue items will be adjusted to match their appropriate level requirement, based on the Yellow 'base' version of the item. The only level requirement reduction will come from Saint prefixed items as originally intended.

And THE question: What will my level 100 weapon's level change to with the balance update?
I'm still asked the question, so I've prepared the following list to help give additional planning time to this change.

Below is a list of weapons that are currently expected to change. This list is what we believe will be the resulted changes to the weapons, if for any reason there are any changes made, it will be included in the final update notes. I wanted to provide this list, since it was the original concern of many players over the level requirement changes for weapons. Please take the time to review the list and plan for the change in the coming update. The lists of weapons below all currently have a level requirement of 100. The table displays the current projected level requirement that the weapon will be updated to.

You have this opportunity to either catch up to the requirement level for your weapon if it is planned to be changed or find a suitable weapon for your level range. Please use the list to help plan for the update. The level requirements were taken to consideration to previous versions of ROSE and comparisons to the items grade and power.

Domage que sur le site officiel sa n'a pas etais classer part job les armes pour les nouveaux sa risque d'etre pluto dur ....

L'homme qui a la reponse a tout xD!!!!!!!!
(Mode off)--> tout petite vane

[ROSE NA Head GM] Leonis - 10/2/2007 @ 12:23 PM PDT

calaaniwygen: Just wondering why most weapons got lvl 155 and the owand got 145. Just weird.
The power and tier of the weapon is what gave the Ouroboros Wand the level requirement. It was a comparison and consideration to available weapons for the category that 145 was settled on for the weapon.

NotAFerrari: So as long as you keep your weapon equipped it will stay on your character?
Yes, that is correct. However I believe that you will be able to not change gear forever.

Hephaestus: Are skills going to be announced beforehand also, or will we have to wait and find out with the update?
We will provide a full detailed account of changes further down as they are finalized. The list provided was to help provide a further sight of what changes to expect, as at this point I don't believe the changes will be altered any further. If they are, they will be noted in our update notes. But this will be after our initial testing is completed.

Also has the implementation of different types of ammo been thought of with this update, or will we still have cannons wooden arrows and bean bullets? If they aren't being included, can we look forward to them in a soon after update?
They have been considered in fact. There will be more details provided in the following update along with the crafting system's update.

RoleModel: (holy wand, shadow wand, bleak wand, conjurer's wand) Are these now going to be drops or do we have to have them crafted?
These weapons previously dropped already, just no one cared to hunt in the areas they would have been found. Yes they will be available.

rath: Leo, will items like say, Legend Mariner Boots where the prefix acts as a level reduction currently, be changed with the update to where the Legend prefix adds Dexterity like it is supposed to and the level requirement go up? Should I be investing my time obtaining Legend items for my hawker now instead of farming for other prefixes that have the added dex as a bonus when they're not supposed to?
The unfortunate issue regarding the various improperly prefixed blue items is that there is no constant error throughout all blue items. Some were properly corrected, however many were not. For your example, the Legend Mariner Boots, give a level reduction requirement, but no DEX bonus. It would be expected that these boots are in fact "Saint" Mariner Boots. It was found that even though the names of items were sometimes incorrect, the bonuses given are correct. So, all we are doing is correcting the names of items to properly reflect the bonuses the items provide. We will not be changing the bonus type for the item, however you may see a small change in the bonus given, for certain items. Meaning, we may make increase or decrease the bonus of a Grand item. In the end, the current Legend Mariner's Boots would be renamed to correctly reflect the bonus given, which is a reduced level requirement, and would be correctly named: Saint Mariner's Boots.

Not all Legend equipment will be name changed to Saints. Please look at your gear and compare it to this guide so that you may see if your Blue Items may undergo a name change.

Dark: + ASPD
Demon: + Critical
Elven: + MP Recovery
Golden: + Max MP
Grand: + Max HP
Legend: + DEX
Saint: -5 Level Req.

TruPain: are the correct stats added to the blue weapons now?
Yes, as stated above, they in fact are the correct bonuses. The type of bonus will not change, however as I also mentioned, there may be an increase or reduction of the actual bonuses as we found they were not scaling properly as the equipment became stronger.


@1920
As Calanor explained there is more then just what I put in October's news.

The information in the post was to help provide information about part of those changes that were initially of great concern to the community. As Calanor mentioned, we have the drops update completed and waiting to undergo thorough testing. There are a number of other things still being worked on for testing. We have full intention to address the balancing issues we've been discussing in the September News thread. I realize by not mentioning them in the October news, it can give the appearance that they have been forgotten, but I assure you they have not.

Achilles: will u bring out an additional weapon for around level 165/170?
Probably not immediately from the update, but we do want to provide more items and equipment over time.

why are blues on the same level like yellows? will they have the same ap like the yellow ones?
First let me explain something about the blue items. The blue items have a set bonus that is given to the item and in addition to that, additional bonuses can be given at random. These are randomly given upon the item dropping from a monster. Now, as you all are aware, the random bonuses given from a monster drop, disappear when drilled and inserted with a gem. The benefit is, is that the bonuses of the blue item are not removed.

It was understood that the Attack Power and level requirement for the blue item should be the same as its "base" form, and the benefit given from its prefix (blue title) is what should make the item desired. It is in fair respect that all the weapons should be equal in power and level requirement (aside from the Saint effect) so that the bonuses given is what's special to the weapon, and not a variance of the attack power.

my point is, think about artisans, crafting yellow items is stil a waste of time, materials and zuly.
Believe me, we're aware of how this affects crafting Dealers and Artisans, to which the answer will be contained in the following update that addresses the crafting system. As I mentioned in the September news, we fully are aware that for a Dealer/Artisan that takes the path of a crafter to survive, they need to have unique and desired products. We look to help provide that for the crafting system once we begin working on that update.

As far as the item drops and equipment level range, the drop changes made should better suit the areas and level ranges that are being hunted in. No drop system will even be final since continued updates can introduce new items, monsters and areas, the drop system will forever be under adjustments. Those changes will be small in comparison to the initial adjustments we have already made.

@clericpwn
Currently it is a rumor, we did not have the intention of including the unreleased high level equipment during this update. There is still some debate and questioning regarding their implementation due to some gaps in level requirements.

@Kitty
You did not count wrong, there are fewer wands then most other weapons, which is one of the reasons behind the larger level gap for the Ouroboros Wand to its predecessor. We are aware of the gaps of the later released weapons and the lacking between levels of equipment, which is something being reviewed.

As far as your issues with DEX, we're also aware of this and your viewpoint. It was in fact an arguing viewpoint from some GMs as well. We very much understand, however at this point we agreed that working to fix the current state of game play was more important to complete, then we would discuss the possibilities of Legend equipment having DEX. I'm sure that once something is decided, it will be announced during a future update.

alan shires: will the pre evo wepions stay the same level F.E. - Grand brilliant dual wild for level 135?
We don't have plans to touch any pre-Evolution equipment since they no longer can be generated to the world of ROSE. If any major issues arise with any pre-Evolution items, of course we will make sure to address it accordingly. But for now we have no plans to make any adjustments to pre-Evolution gear.

HolyEagle: Is the next working project of the dev team adding new content and maps ?
We are already working to add more content, however new maps may take a little more time. We already have several ideas, but organizing and prioritizing them is also a task in itself. To help provide quick and quality updates it is likely that we will give majority focus to one thing at a time, but I don't think it is too far away. Probably not in the next update, but perhaps one of the following ones we may start seeing new maps or monsters to the world of ROSE.

@Start
Like I said in the news post, you have this opportunity to either catch up to the requirement level for your weapon if it is planned to be changed or find a suitable weapon for your level range. Please use the list to help plan for the update.

This is why I posted the level requirement changes now since it is unlikely we will make any further modifications to it.

PeteRoss: Are drops going to be changed too after the update?
Yes, we already have a finished update to the drop system that is in progress of testing.

can you tell us what items will be dropping rarely
Specifics are not available, however a general announcement to changes in the drop system will be provided in the final release notes of the update.

Voilà j'ai traduit les premières questions/réponses plus haut (pour les feignasses cliquez ici )

CTR a écrit :

de plus le fait que tlm garde le GEAR et les ARMES sur eux, je voit pas l'interet à part bloquer le marché des shops, on va rien vendre apres le fameux patch vous aller voir. c du sur ca 95%.

Je doute fortement que tout le monde garde ses eqs jusqu'au lvl 155 (ou peu importe le lvl nécessaire à leur arme) parce que la plupart des gens va surement en avoir marre d'être obligé de garder toujours les mêmes eqs et de pas pouvoir mettre d'autres eqs. Par exemple moi j'ai mes wdw et rudolph boots pour faire les shops, mon bag et mes rudolph boots pour les mobs normaux, et mon bag et des shoes lvl 95 pour taper des mobs plus durs genre kings/mobs haut lvl, et je sens que ça va vite me saouler de pas pouvoir passer de l'un à l'autre ^^
Et puis si t'arrives à refiner des eqs plus haut que le lvl de refine de ceux que tu portes bah là aussi t'auras envie de changer d'eqs
En plus certains aiment mettre des sets à la con pour s'amuser genre santa ou trucs de l'item mall avec dun def pourrie donc ça fait encore une raison pour avoir envie de pas garder toujours les mêmes eqs
Et puis surtout ceux qui passeront le lvl 135 après la màj ils auront aussi surement énormément envie de mettre le set 135 plutôt que de garder leur set plate/chairman/wild hawker/heaven rien que pour la def (et aussi peut-être parce qu'ils veulent se la péter en set 135 ^^')

Enfin perso moi déjà ce qui est sûr c'est que je vais pas rester tel quel jusqu'au lvl 155 :
- déjà au lvl 135 c'est clair que je laisse tomber le reverse pour le set 135
- et aussi peut-être que je vais en avoir marre de pas pouvoir échanger mes eqs (cf ce que j'ai expliqué plus haut) et que je vais prendre une arme pour mon lvl avant le lvl 135

Et je serai surement pas le seul donc ça va surement pas bloquer l'économie ^^

Et même si les gens gardent leurs eqs sur eux jusqu'au lvl ~155, je te rappelle que tout le monde ne sera pas entre le lvl 100 et le lvl 155 au moment de la màj Tous ceux qui seront lvl 100- au moment de la màj achèteront

Et puis y a pas que le marché des eqs de toute façon (surtout que les eqs ça droppe tellement qu'on a du mal à les vendre la plupart du temps alors le marché des eqs c'est pas vraiment très grave ^^'), y a aussi tout le marché des etc : low ess (dont le taux de drop et les endroits de drop vont être augmentés), gems (dont le nombre va forcément augmenter vu ce qui se passera pour les low ess), refines... bref l'économie sera pas bloquée

Et ça c'est sûr à 100%

CTR a écrit :

pour le GEAR meme punition, tu peut dire que a 135 on change, ca me parait evident Niluje ^^, mais entre le 95 et le 135 si ta un set ref 7 tu changera pas. apres faut etre tebé pour garder un EQ lvl 95 qd on est 135, tu defonce 1 porte ouverte la ^^, il est tard je comprends lol.
pour ton bag et te wdw ? ca change rien ca tu peut l faire avant et apres la MAJ,pour les shoes ba te 117 a 120 tu as le droit d'en changer comme bon te semble.

T'as pas l'air d'avoir compris on dirait : après la màj, si ton lvl est inférieur à 155 et que tu changes un bout de ton armure, alors ton arme 155 se retrouve dans ton inventaire et tu peux plus la remettre tant que t'es pas lvl 155
Alors il faut choisir entre def (armure 135)/mspd (wings) OU ap (l'arme 155)
Donc non ça sera pas "évident" de passer au set 135 ni de mettre des wdw

Et puis je vois pas en quoi le fait d'avoir un set 95 ref 7 ne donnerait pas envie de vouloir mettre un set 135 parce que les set 135 ont l'air de dropper souvent (dites-moi si je me trompe) donc on peut surement rapidement faire un set 135 ref 7 (et puis y a aussi l'argument du "je veux me la péter avec mon set 135" mais évidemment c'est pas le cas de tout le monde ça ), et même sans être ref 7, la différence de def peut donner envie de changer de toute façon

CTR a écrit :

ce que je veut dire c'est que au lieu de crée un marché en + ca restera pareil voire moins de transactions, ca me parait + que logique. enfin bref. on va vite le voit in game.
on verra mais tt va se bloquer un peu plus la ca me parait evident. rien que les refine vont suivre car tt est lié,

Comme je l'ai dit dans l'autre post, les ventes d'eqs déjà en ce moment c'est bof bof hein
xx k pour un blue lvl 100 => personne en veut tellement y en a
1m pour un ref 6 => personne en veut tellement y a d'eqs pour pouvoir les refiner soi-même
Par contre tous ceux qui passeront le lvl 100 après la màj (encore une fois tu les oublies ), eux ils achèteront :
1- Les mêmes trucs que ce qu'on vend actuellement
2- Et en plus : toutes les armes 100+ qu'on file au npc actuellement parce qu'elles sont inutiles. Et toutes les "nouvelles" armes lvl 100+ il faudra bien les refiner, donc pas vraiment de problème non plus pour les ventes de refines
Et ceux qui en auront marre de devoir garder leurs eqs pré-patch (vu les contraintes, y en aura surement plus qui en auront marre que ce que tu penses) achèteront tout ça aussi

CTR a écrit :

y'a déja ds post pour dire : je vous aide a passer le bon lvl pour garder votre EQ.

Ca c'est juste pour ceux qui veulent garder un ap de dingue qu'ils ne devraient pas avoir, comme actuellement, évidemment c'est compréhensible de vouloir garder un ap de fou mais y a pas de quoi en faire un drame d'avoir un ap normal

CTR a écrit :

lol si apres avoir un EQ et apres patch tu change, surtout pour l'arme tu te retrouve a faire le fameux pasage lvl 90 > 100 pendant  2 mois ^^

Ouais bah 90>100 je l'ai fait en 10 jours à tout casser alors je vois pas vraiment ce que ça a de dur, c'était aussi "dur" que 80>90". C'est juste que comme tout le monde passe son temps au cf, après c'est sûr que sans cf ça donne l'impression que c'est dur alors que c'est juste normal, et le fait d'avoir passé plein de lvl au cf vous fait toujours lvler sur les mêmes mobs sans voir qu'il y a des mobs super simples à tuer (même sans buff et eq de dingue) pour faire 95>100 que personne voit (et comptez pas sur moi pour vous montrer un truc aussi simple à trouver, suffit de chercher un tout petit peu)
Et puis perso j'ai mis autant voire plus de temps à faire 100>110 que 90>100 vu que j'ai pas lvlé comme un fou à dod sur les kings du centre après le lvl 100 (ce qui devrait être le cas pour tout le monde normalement) (je sais que c'est pas ce que tu fais actuellement toi, mais je parle pour les gens en général )
Alors je vois vraiment pas ce qui est si "dur" dans les 90>100, c'est juste une invention de ceux qui font cf=>dod=>(mc=>)eldeon ça
Et puis quand je me rappelle de mes premiers lvls sur erose avec le hawker bow, franchement tout ça maintenant c'est du gateau et même au lvl 90+ alors que logiquement ça devrait être incroyablement plus difficile vu que c'est beaucoup plus haut lvl

En tout cas rien de spécial pour les levels 200+

Si, on pourra tout avoir sur nos persos Et continuer à glander lool

CTR a écrit :

enfin je dit + rien vous verrez apres patch.

C'est ça, on verra ^^

GeGe a écrit :

En tout cas rien de spécial pour les levels 200+

Si, on pourra tout avoir sur nos persos Et continuer à glander lool

Je te conseille de lire les prochaines questions/réponses (que je traduis en ce moment) quand je les posterai

En fait c'est déjà posté ^^ http://narose.free.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?id=429 c'est le truc sur les 7th grades qui peut t'intéresser lol

Niluje a écrit :

CTR a écrit :

enfin je dit + rien vous verrez apres patch.

C'est ça, on verra ^^

GeGe a écrit :

En tout cas rien de spécial pour les levels 200+

Si, on pourra tout avoir sur nos persos Et continuer à glander lool

Je te conseille de lire les prochaines questions/réponses (que je traduis en ce moment) quand je les posterai

humm je te sent agressif xD

ba je constate que les joueurs in game vont vite au lvl pour l'arme la plus puissante, c'est un fait pas un reve de CTR..

tient encore 2 topics ou les gens speed pour porter l'arme. ICI et ICI

pour les armes ca va coincer obligé sauf pour les nouveaux joueurs. la dicussion du moment In Game c'est de porter l'arme donc pour le GEAR sachant que les lvl sont plus rapproché on en changera mais le trou entre le set lvl 95 et le set 135 est bel et bien la. et comme par hazard les players commencent a parler de l'exp, mais quand c'est moi qui le dit c'est pourri... ou faux..

en gros je dit + rien, je joue de mon coté ca sera moins prise de tête.

Dernière modification par CTR (11/10/2007 à 15h41)